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    73 comments  ·  Compute Engine  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
    started  ·  Paul Nash responded

    Hello folks,

    We are currently testing a new option that may help people send mail without using a third party service. If you are interested in testing this product, please fill out the interest request form here1. Product Management for the feature may reach out to you.

    We are also continuing to make improvements to our system to allow for some customers that have an established relationship with us to apply for an exception to be able to send directly on port 25. There are a number of IP reputation issues that have to be worked through for such a use case, so it should not be considered a common solution that will meet everyone’s needs.

    We will have more updates on both of these items over time.

    1 https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScg6ponYf4bc9HftBh4H4LypqpqKm3AS3bEJ20u_EfgTw59GQ/viewform&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1539107700687000&usg=AFQjCNFJ4f8dyp1OgCLUwjeLWoUKY1-Z6Q

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    Google is going down hill faster than a landslide. Google is just falling apart. Maybe it's google's way of trying to pretend that they are not a monopoly. There are much better places to have a VPS.

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    @ Jay: The answer is obvious. You should do what I did. I have no problems sending any e-mail from my servers. It works great.

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    I don't have any trouble sending e-mail from my 2 servers. :-)

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    Google wants us to use Gmail so that they can harvest more data from us. Google has done a lot of good, but google is getting fat. I'm using 2 other vps providers. I am glad that there is no monopoly, and that we are able to use other providers that do a better job.

    Google really should change, and stop blocking ports. But even if they did, I would not use google vps, because they are overpriced, and their fees are very underhanded.

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    @ Paul Nash

    Yes it was the default firewall. I figured that out later.

    Thanks.

    But with Google blocking ports, it took longer to realize it.

    So the question is, is port 25 the only port that Google blocks or are there others?
    Google should list what ports are blocked so that people new to Google VPS will know ahead of time, and save them frustration.

    To fix the default firewall, click "create firewall rule" for Ingress with IP address 0.0.0.0/0
    Then click "create firewall rule" for Egress with IP address 0.0.0.0/0

    And setup firewall in the VPS.

    It would also be nice if there was a simple on / off option for the external firewall.

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    And it's not just port 25. Google blocks most ports. Only a small hand full does Google allow. This means that if you want to change your ssh port to make your server more secure, as is highly recommended, you will have trouble, as most ports are blocked. And as far as I can see, Google does not publish a full list of what ports it does not block. But most ports are blocked. Google should at least provide a list of what ports they allow.

    Google has Gmail, and has no desire to compete with itself. Just like when you do a video search on Google you will get Youtube results and very few if any results from individual web sites.

    Servers are naturally by default set up to send e-mail when there are issues. Not having e-mail on a server is like having a laptop with internet disabled.

    Update to previous post:
    I was able to repair a VM by imaging the drive, then creating another VM, then attaching a new drive using the VM image, then repairing that drive, then making another image of it, then creating a new VM using a drive created with the second image. So even though Google does not provide a virtual CD to do a repair, as most VPS providers do, This other method does work.

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    Google also does not have console access, nor a recovery boot disk.

    Those things are standard on other VPN hosts.

    Once your VM fails to let you ssh in, and it will, as google corrupts the system, you have no way of repairing it.

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    Google Cloud VPS aka "Compute Engine" is a joke. I have my server on Digital Ocean, and I love it. I thought since I was given some free time on this platform, I would try it out. Wow! it's unbelievably stupid. Go to https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=d4eb5006501e and get a real VPS. Nobody is going to put anything serious on the Google Cloud platform. If you just have something unimportant that you want to play around with, then fine, but any VPS hosting that blocks ports is of no value.

    Any VPS hosting that blocks ports is of no value, no matter who has their name on it.

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    1 comment  ·  Compute Engine  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
    under review  ·  Paul Nash responded

    Thanks, we’ve shared this suggestion with the feature team so they may consider it for their backlog.

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    Wayne Sallee commented  · 

    Yes transferring IP address from an old Compute Engine to another Compute Engine is cumbersome, and often fails.

    It definitely needs improvement.

    Also IP addresses should be static from the start of a Compute Engine, rather than the user finding out the hard way that an IP address is going to change.

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